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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2007
     # 1
    Over on Sin Aesthetics, I posted My Gaming Census which gives a demographic profile of the people I play with and the games we play. I'm interested in other people's gaming census data, so thought I'd nudge folks on SG to post them here, or at SA or back at your home blog.
    • CommentAuthorJ. Walton
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007
     # 2
    Doing that for SGBoston will be tough, but maybe I can team up with Dev and Nathan and we can run a little informal survey at the next meeting. A lot of our answers are going to be similar to yours, but some of them are rather different, since we're a slightly younger crew (a couple years out of college) of people who had no real relationship 6 months ago and we've been playing one-shots every week for the best 4-5 months.
    • CommentAuthortadk
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007
     # 3
    My demographic is as follows
    I have no active game group.
    When I game back up north on annual or less visits it is me, 44, doug, 43, al 44, jeff 43. Jeff is a boardgamer, us other three also do Trad RPG Gaming. I have know all these guys since HS and are the remnants of our HS Gaming group. Mostly down to boardgames such as Game of Thrones, LotR ones, etc. Otherwise it is Doug, Al and myself.
    Al is divorced, the other three are married. Jeff does not have kids. 50% with college degrees.
  1.  # 4
    Ok, I'll give it a crack. I have two real life gaming groups but I'll lump them altogether for the sake of the census. I've been playing with one group for 4 years, the other for only 18 months.

    Life:

    There are 11 guys and gals who I game with regularly (once every 1-2 weeks face to face), plus me.
    10 are men (including me), 2 are women.
    7 of us are 20-25, 2 of us 26-30 and the remainder 30+
    All are white. Ethnicities are mainly English, but also Irish and Greek Cypriot.
    I'm not sure about socio, religious, economic or political backgrounds. If I had to hazard a guess I'd think most are left-leaning folks. And we're mostly middle-class for added fun.
    5 of us are involved in IT, 1 in finance and the rest are students.
    None of us are married, although 4 are in relationships (2 with other members of the group!).
    5 of us have undergrad degrees, the remainder are all currently studying for one.
    1 of the 11 is my brother, 1 is an ex-housemate of mine, 3 are housemates together, 2 are old school friends of each other, the rest we know through gaming. We're all good friends beyond the gaming table.

    Notable Experience:

    Four of the group are artists, 2 animation artists, 2 filmmakers.
    At least two are musical.
    Two of us have been paid as published writers.

    Gaming:

    4 of us have GMd games in which I've been involved.
    1 of us is new to gaming in the past 5 years, 4 of us new to gaming in the past year. The rest have been gaming for 10+ years.
    5 of us have played around with new fangled hippy games, the rest regularly play them.
    5 of us came out of wargaming, none out of boardgaming, 2 out of computer gaming.
    1 was heavily into MMORPGs but has recently returned to the land of the real life gamer.
    1 has extensive MU** experience.
    3 of us spend a fair amount of time on gaming forums and blogs, and 1 even moderates a games related forum.

    On the games:

    The games I've played in the past 4 years with these folks: Dead of Night, Unknown Armies, Iron Kingdoms, Mutants & Masterminds, Delta Green (3 games), Burning Empires, WFRP (3 games), Savage Worlds, Earthdawn, Spirit of the Century, Trinity, My Life with Master and Growing Pains.
    WFRP, Trinity and Delta Green represent the majority of my gaming time.
    Most of the games lasted 4-6 weeks. Trinity lasted 3 months, WFRP 6 months and both Earthdawn and Spirit of the Century are new but ongoing.
    None of these games were based on pre-written adventures.

    EDIT: I also have an online group, made up of friends from uni, but for the sake of brevity I've discounted it here.
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007
     # 5
    Posted By: JonathanWaltonA lot of our answers are going to be similar to yours, but some of them are rather different, since we're a slightly younger crew (a couple years out of college)


    Age! Doh! I forgot age!

    This is great stuff guys, I'm glad to get a glimpse of what gaming life is for everybody out there. Keep it coming!
  2.  # 6
    Funny, my data looks a lot like Mo's.
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      CommentAuthorbuzz
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007 edited
     # 7
    I'll lump my three groups together as well.

    17 gamers total.
    15 male.
    2 female.
    2 married couples in the groups.
    100% hetero, as far as I'm aware.
    Only 3 people are not married; two are single (one in a committed relationship, one not), one is recently divorced.

    All are between 30-40 years in age, tending toward 35+.
    Middle to upper-middle class economically.
    9 are employed in some realm of IT.
    4 have theater experience.
    All but 1 have somewhere around 20+ years of gaming under their belt.

    All of us are "white"; I'm half-Punjabi, and comprise pretty much all of the "color" in the groups. :)
    All of us are Christian, Pagan, or agnostic/atheist.
    I believe everyone has at least an undergraduate degree; a few have master's.
    Most everyone grew up near a city of significant size.
    Politically, the majority are typical Democrats, with a few Republicans and 1-2 self-identified Libertarians.

    About 7 had extensive friendships or relationships with each other prior to the formation of the groups.

    4 are regular GMs, 2 others are occasional GMs.
    0 have any experience with hippy games, other than what I've attempted to force upon them. :)
    5 probably enjoy tactical/strategy games (e.g., Axis & Allies, M:tG) as much, or more, than they do TRPGs.
    6 enjoy CRPG/MMORPGs as much or more than they do TRPGs.
    4 participate in online RPG forums on a regular basis, but none more than myself, by a wide margin.

    The games we've played, in toto and order of frequency (most to least): D&D and HERO consistently; SWd20 and M&M1e 2-3 sessions each; d20M, IH, Buffy, BW, and BE were all one-shots. Serenity is going to start in a few weeks.

    One D&D campaign has been playing consistently, every session, for going on four years. One HERO campaign has been playing mostly consistently for going on four years, another for 1-2. Other D&D and HERO games have been sporadic. Any and all other systems were one-shots or campaigns that died after 2-3 sessions.

    The two long-running games were homebrewed. The sporadic campaigns are a mix of homebrew and published adventures.

    The long-running D&D game has been tactically-focused, though an overarching goal emerged after a few years of play, and the whole game is now building to the completion of that goal.

    The long-running HERO game has been a sprawling Marvel-like ongoing story, with many plot points surfacing over the years, and no end goal in sight.

    The D&D games (and some of the d20 one-shots) have been heavily emphasized on fighty miniatures play. There is no emphasis on character or story.

    The HERO games have had heavy emphasis on character and story, with little emphasis on fighty miniatures play.

    None of the games, afaict, have ever been adapted to fit the social contract. They are what they are, and you like 'em or you don't.
    • CommentAuthorJDCorley
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007
     # 8
    One group, six people
    5 in their 30s, one in their 20s.
    5 white, 1 Asian
    3 women, 3 men
    2 married couples
    100% hetero (I think)
    2 self-described Christians, 1 self-described Buddhist, the rest non-religious
    All have undergrad degrees. Two are studying for graduate degrees. One is studying for a professional degree. One has a professional degree.
    Two middle-class. Two have been middle-class but are poorer at the moment because they're students (by choice). Two are lower-class.
    One is from a major city, three are from minor cities, one is from a small town, and one was a military child who grew up in many places.
    Three involved in theater past high school.
    Occupations: lawyer, medical research assistant, student, student, student, unemployed (for an extended time)
    Known diagnoses: 2 depression, 1 cancer (currently not an issue)

    Gaming: 1 regular GM, 2 irregular GMs
    3 have substantial LARP experience both as administration and players
    Nobody plays CCGs
    1 person plays MMORPGs
    5 play video games on consoles regularly
    1 has extensive MU* experience, 3 have minor MU* experience
    1 has extensive freeform/PBP experience
    Tried several hippy games, few like them, no game has satisfied everyone in the way traditional games have
  3.  # 9
    Okay, time to spoil the sample.
    I took on a challence almost a year ago to get a group of curious kids into gaming, and they comprise the core of my gaming group. This sample is not near to the same as if you had asked me previously:

    9 players, including myself.

    Gender
    M = 8
    F = 1

    Ages:
    29 = me
    16-18= 4
    19-20 = 4

    Education:
    BA= 1
    HS Diploma = 5 (Pursuing college = 3)
    In HS = 3

    Religion & Religious Heritage:
    Unknown = 3
    Wiccan = 1
    Strong Athiest = 1
    Christian = 4

    Ethnicity:
    White (of various flavors) = 6
    Native American (Cherokee IIRC) = 2
    African-American = 1

    Game experience:
    Myself: Trad TRPG (some blending into Hippy) and Wargames.
    New to TRPGs = 5
    Coming from MMORPG: 2
    Coming from freeform LARPing: 1
    Coming from other Trad Games: 3
    Coming from Wargaming: 1
    No RPG experience: 1
    Currently play CCG's: 6
    Currently play MMORPGs: 5

    GM's = 2
    Never GMed = 7

    Occupation:
    Student = 6
    Admissions = 1
    Retail = 2

    Political Affiliation:
    Difficult to color because it's so fluid and because they haven't formed their own opinions yet:
    Right = 1
    Left = 1
    Youthful Rebelion against their elders = 7
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      CommentAuthorBrand_Robins
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007 edited
     # 10
    Yay for spoiling the sample!

    Justin, you just became my new favorite person. Matt can suck his dog's toe, you rock the house.
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      CommentAuthorMerten
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2007
     # 11
    Here's my two regular gaming groups. I could do another one on the "player pool" I have - a 50 or so people whom I can draw into one-shots or campaigns and whom I LARP with, but numbers with them would be really rough estimates.

    People:

    7 players
    5 male, 2 female
    Ages:
    28-30 3
    30-33 4 (me)

    2 players married, with children (including me) - 2 others in stable relationship (together)
    I'm not very aware of the sexual side, but I'm guessing that two have bi-sexual experiences.
    All white caucasian, six Finns, one Finn-Swede.
    All atheist (two might be habitual lutherians, I don't really know)

    3 working in IT sector (incl. me), one completing her doctoral studies, one has recently been admitted to dramaturgy studies, two doing translation & publishing work. 5 out of 7 have written for roleplaying and computer gaming magazines both.
    Three have done university studies, three have bachelor's degrees, one high school graduate.
    Five come from capital area, one from other large city, one from mid-sized city/countryside. All currently living in the capital area.

    One person has studied (and still is studying) theatre and dramaturgy, and has published plays. One or two have some amateur-theatre background. Two have roleplaying publishing credits (two games and contributions to source books). Two former presidents or vice-presidents of the national live-roleplaying society.

    Gaming:

    All have played tabletop RPGs for 10+ years, four 15+ years .
    All have LARPed 10+ years, in 50+ games.
    Four (or five?) have organised one or more LARPs.
    Most (4?) play board games irregulary, usually playtesting for a review.
    3-4 play a lot of MMORPG's, at least two write about it and review games.
    1 (me) has some MU* experience.
    1 is active on online gaming forums (me), 2-3 are semi-active. Others might browse, but rarely participate.
    One has published an online roleplaying manifesto.

    Games played in last five years (that I've been involved in):

    Campaigns: Fading Suns, Hârn, Unknown Armies, homebrewn scifi-thingy.
    Short, or one-shots: Various homebrewn.
    • CommentAuthorMike Holmes
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2007 edited
     # 12
    Can I get away with just saying that I play a lot? FTF, and online with people from all over the world? To say nothing of convention play, which I get a lot of? Sometimes with people I've just met, other times with friends that I have from all over the US and beyond?

    I'd say it's possible that I've played with more than 100 different people in the last year alone. I'd say that they're mostly white, mostly male, mostly from the US. Which is probably unsurprising and unhelpful.

    Mike

    P.S. Mostly Hero Quest for game system, but around 20 others or so at a guess.
  4.  # 13
    Mike,

    Believe it or don't, that actually is useful. The one thing I'd ask for more detail about is how those 100 people break down in terms of how you've played with them. How many were at cons, how many online, how many in one shots, how many in ongoing games?

    Rough guesses are fine, I'd just like to get a picture here of trends rather than hard data points.
  5.  # 14
    Here's the census for my Tuesday RPG regulars:

    Life:

    * 7 players.
    * 6 are male, 1 is female.
    * Ages are all early to mid-30's.
    * All are white.
    * All are middle class.
    * 6 are married (one pair to each other). The last is in a long-term relationship. Two of the men have children.
    * Religion isn't something we discuss often. I don't think any are particularly devout. I think at least a few consider themselves agnostic or atheists.
    * Politically I think it's mostly a range between moderate left and right-leaning libertarian. One describes himself as an anarchist.
    * All work in IT (support, administrators, programmers).

    Gaming:

    * 4 have GM'ed games in which I played.
    * I think I'm the only one with LARP experience, and that was only once.
    * All have PnP experience going back years.
    * All play boardgames.
    * All but me have been playing WoW since it started (I quit after 9 months, the rest lasted longer and then resumed when the expansion was released). Most have played other MMORPGs as well.
    * I believe only 3 or 4 have online MU* experience.
    * Only 2 read online RPG forums that I know of, only I post regularly as far as I know.

    On the games:

    * Games we've played: Mutants & Masterminds 1E (4 episodes), Dungeons & Dragons 3E (3 episodes), All Flesh Must Be Eaten (3 episodes), Buffy: the Vampire Slayer (1 episode), Heavy Gear (1 episode), Paranoia (1 episode), GURPS Traveller (1 episode), Jovian Chronicles (1 episode), Universalis (1 episode)
    * Of those games, M&M, D&D, Buffy, Paranoia, Traveller, and possibly JC and HG were conceived as campaigns. The AFMBE games were designed and played as one-shots, as was Universalis (a game about Jacques Cousteau and his time travelling whale).
    * Most episodes ran from 2 to 5 sessions, including the AFMBE one-shots. Universalis ran one night.
    * The typical session lasted around 2.5 hours.
    * 2 of the D&D episodes were pre-written modules (Sunless Citadel and Forge of Fury), as was the Heavy Gear episode.
  6.  # 15
    Quintin,

    As an old Pod person, what was the Heavy Gear episode?
  7.  # 16
    I'd be hard pressed to list the people I play with online; I don't even know many of their ages. Some of them, I'm not sure what their gender is. But let's take the example of our nadan group, playing chat-based in a Chel'qhur-inspired tribe on a roughly weekly basis (with several small group scenes in between that involve 2 to 4 of the characters), I get 3 male/4 female players, late teens to 40s, at least one African-American with the rest probably Caucasian, two married couples and three non-married players, with professions that include homemaker, student, office worker, IT, and craftsperson. Most of the players have never played table-top RPGs, with me being the big exception. I don't think anyone but me plays MMORPGs either (GuildWars FTW!). And we don't play published rules systems together, just your standard freeform or GM'ed chat play.
  8.  # 17
    Christian,

    Yea, that's one of the reasons that when Mo was doing the census I didn't kick in all the people we play online with. It was just TT. I've thought about doing another one for online, but I'm not sure how accurate I could be in it. (More girls than boys, more games that are either very short run plot based or long and meandering life-based, more geographic diversity... other than that....)

    However, would you say that most of your gaming happens online? And do you think that effects the way you approach game and the types of things you want game to do?
    • CommentAuthorPenn42
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2007
     # 18
    This is insanely good data...

    Better than what anyone in the "industry" currently has...FYI.

    Ch
  9.  # 19
    Posted By: Brand_RobinsQuintin,

    As an old Pod person, what was the Heavy Gear episode?

    I believe it was The Paxton Gambit. I'll double check with the GM.

    Edit: Yup, Paxton Gambit.
  10.  # 20
    Ah yes, ye olde Paxton Gambit.

    I sold mine like a month ago, and sort of wish I hadn't.
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      CommentAuthorSempiternity
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2007 edited
     # 21
    My datapoint should sit right on the median, i'd imagine.

    My sample here is the core of the group i began rpging with in highschool, and although all of us have played regularly with other groups since (including my only traditional "campaign" game) i have continued to game with them off-and-on to the present day. (I think everyone else we gamed with in HS has quit tt-gaming.) We seem to have adapted regularly & readily to new developments in gaming, including adopting d20, and are currently playing Burning Wheel & Iron Heroes.

    So, stats:

    - 5 players, all male, ages 19-25, all americans of ~ western european extraction, upper middle class, all roughly single & probably straight
    - all students (2 chemistry, 1 computer security, 1 linguistics, 1 biology), although i already hold a BS degree
    - religion: 3 atheist or agnostic, 1 unknown, 1 fairly devout christian
    - politics: i'd say left & anti-authoritarian leaning over all, but with lots of specific & pragmatic variation; i'm probably the most "liberal", with respect for Green, Libertarian, & Socialist ideology
    - as for art, we've all dabbled with bad genre fiction - not so bad at all in one case - and two are quite good at online comic art, but son't have regular strips (yet)

    gaming:

    - all but 1 have GM'd various games we've played together (and i'd say that one is the best role-player of the group)
    - i've larped, once or twice, but i don't think anyone else has
    - we all started playing RPGs, CCDs, & Warhammer together, and we all readily play various boardgames (cosmic encounter & risk, especially)
    - we've all (except one?) played MMPOGs - Ragnarok, Final Fantasy, Anarchy Online, Ryzome, Guild Wars, WoW - and two are still WoW fanatics; (while I've pretty much given up on MMPOGs)
    - i think only i hang out on online gaming forums!

    games:

    - in chrono order: AD&D, GURPS, Storyteller, more GURPS, D&D3e, more GURPS, more D&D3e, Exalted, Hunter (hacked with forgey goodness), Burning Wheel, Iron Heroes
    - we've done deliberate one-shots, mini-campaigns, tpk scenarios, and several attempts at campaigns that fizzled, but never a long term game; our most common theme is three-session games
    - typical sessions are intense: 5 hours or longer, fri, sat, sunday affairs
    - we've only used pre-written modules for our beginning AD&D games, but did do a loose interpretation of Luke's "Sword" BW demo last year
    • CommentAuthorLarry
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2007
     # 22
    Currently, I am active in zero gaming groups. (Hence, the icon.) I still subscribe to the mailing lists of two groups. I miss civilization.
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2007
     # 23
    Larry, I never noticed your icon. It makes me sad. :(

    This info is terrific! It really underlines some strong themes and some wild diversity too. In a couple of days, I think I'm going to spin off a thread about how you think your census data affects and informs your play preferences.

    Justin -> That rocks! I'd been considering going and volunteering to do a program at my local Y. That's really cool. You should totally let us know more about what you've learned from the experience.

    I keep noticing how many of us are in IT. From what I'm seeing there's a *lot*. Why is that, I wonder? An affinity for systems? Generally a populous geek profession, I dunno. Interesting to discover. I think I've always known that there were lots of us, but not just how *alot* of lots of us there were.
  11.  # 24
    Brand,

    Yes and yes.

    In more words than that, there are two main reasons I play mostly in chat-based games. First, it's easy to drop into the forum and start a scene with another player or two. Second, and more importantly, it's how I play with Lisa.

    As for the second question, I have yet to finish any designs for chat interfaces, though I've been thinking about that a lot. I do think that Beast Hunters, for example, is influenced by the way combat is done in those environments: by persuading the other person with creativity and coolness to take hits.

    Now, "real life" group info: my last AD&D 2e group was all male, I was the youngest with the other players in their early 30s, consisting of three people in the law field (judge, attorney, paralegal) and one community college English teacher. That group's probably more representative of many other groups out there :)
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      CommentAuthorMatthijs
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007
     # 25
    From my regular group + HolmCon (yearly con, my house), a total of 19 people:

    Gender: 13 m, 6 f
    Age: 19-45, most in their mid-twenties
    Ethnicity: 18 white, 1 "mixed" (for lack of a better word)
    Nationality: Norwegian, whaddayaknow.
    Married: 5, all with children
    Religion: I have no idea. Norway is pretty secular, and a lot of people are semi-christian, in that they go to church occasionally, but it's not a huge part of their life. I know 2 or 3 of the crowd are, or have been, atheists. No muslims, buddhists, wiccans, catholics, mormons or jews that I know of.
    Politics: Most would lean left of center, though a few are right-wing. (Compared to US standards, we're all pretty far left, I believe).
    Work etc: I dont' know for everyone, but from what I know...

      * 2 work in IT
      * 3 work with people (school psych councellor, addict work, teacher)
      * 1 journalist
      * 1 human rights (or similar)
      * 1.5 writer
      * 5 students (nordic languages, technical, psychology, 2 unknown)
      * 1 fan organization employee.
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007
     # 26
    Matthijs,

    What about the games? Do you do one shots or campaigns? What games do you play? Do you play in short, long or marathon sessions? And gamer data, do the folks in your group do other related things like PBEM, MMORPGS, MU**, LARP, Console Gaming?
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      CommentAuthorjenskot
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007 edited
     # 27
    [Life]

    - PEOPLE: [7] Groups, [47] Players
    - GROUP SOCIAL DYNAMIC: [9] Only hang out to game, [36] Hang out outside of gaming
    - MET GROUP THROUGH: [9] Friends, [1] Family, [8] School, [1] Work, [18] Online, [1] Gaming store, [9] Convention
    - GENDER: [37] Male, [10] Female
    - AGE: [6] 18-27, [36] 28-37, [5] 38-47
    - ETHNICITY: [2] Asian, [1] Black / African descent, [2] East Indian, [3] Latino / Hispanic, [1] Middle Eastern, [0] Native American, [0] Pacific Islander, [38] White / Caucasian, [0] Unknown
    - SEXUAL ORIENTATION: [39] Heterosexual, [2] Homosexual, [4] Bisexual, [2] Undecided, [0] Unknown
    - INCOME (net annual): [5] $0-$30,000, [5] $30,000-$45,000, [18] $45,000-$60,000, [8] $60,000-$75,000, [5] $75,000-$100,000, [1] $100,000-$150,000, [1] $150,000+, [4] Unknown
    - RELIGION: [13] Agnostic, [9] Atheist, [1] Buddhist, [11] Catholic, [3] Christian - other, [0] Hindu, [0] Jewish, [0] Mormon, [2] Muslim, [0] Protestant, [0] Scientologist, [0] Taoist, [0] Wiccan, [0] Other, [8] Unknown
    - MARITAL STATUS: [2] Swinger, [6] In a relationship, [6] Single, [2] Divorced, [26] Married, [5] Unknown
    - CHILDREN: [39] 0, [6] 1, [2] 2, [0] 3, [0] 4+, [0] Unknown
    - BODY TYPE: [9] Slim / Slender, [6] Athletic, [13] Average, [6] Some extra baggage, [11] More to love!, [2] Body builder
    - HOMETOWN: [7] Rural, [13] Suburban, [12] Urban, [15] Mix, [0] Unknown
    - TRAVEL: [3] Never, [6] Infrequently, [24] Frequently, [9] Lived in multiple countries, [5] Unknown
    - EDUCATION: [1] High school, [8] Some college, [1] In college, [22] College graduate, [4] Grad / professional school, [8] Post grad, [3] Unknown
    - OCCUPATION: [2] Accounting, [4] Administrative and Support Services, [6] Advertising/Marketing/Public Relations, [9] Arts, Entertainment, and Media, [1] Banking, [1] Biotechnology and Pharmaceutical, [9] Computers, Information Technology, [1] Construction, [2] Education, Training, and Library, [2] Executive Management, [1] Government and Policy, [1] Human Resources/Recruiting, [1] Law Enforcement/Security Srvs, [1] Legal, [1] Nonprofit, [4] Publishing/Printing, [1] Restaurant and Food Service, [1] Sales
    - POLITICS (economic): [20] Left, [18] Moderate, [7] Right, [2] Unknown
    - POLITICS (social): [35] Left, [9] Moderate, [1] Right, [2] Unknown

    [Tabletop Role-Playing Games]

    - EXPERIENCE (years): [5] 1, [3] 2-5, [12] 5-10, [22] 10-20, [5] 20+
    - FREQUENCY: [2] Quarterly, [3] Bi-monthly, [5] Monthly, [17] Bi-weekly, [13] 1/week, [6] 2/week, [3] 3/week, [2] 4+/week
    - GAME LENGTH (average/hours): [2] 1-3, [31] 4, [5] 5-6, [7] 6-8, [2] 8+
    - GAME MASTER: [23] Often, [6] Sometimes, [18] Never
    - MODULES: [12] Often, [28] Sometimes, [7] Never
    - SHORT TERM GAMES: [36] Often, [11] Sometimes, [0] Never
    - LONG TERM GAMES: [16] Often, [19] Sometimes, [12] Never
    - GAMES PLAYED: D&D, Shadowrun, Call of Cthulhu, Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Mutants and Masterminds, Deadlands, Burning Wheel, Burning Empires, Vampire, Mage, Werewolf, Buffy, Angel, Rifts, Ninjas and Superspies, Gamma Word, Gurps, Cyberpunk, Spycraft, Iron Heroes, Champions, Heroquest, Riddle of Steel, Unknown Armies, TMNT, Blood of Heroes, Feng Shui, Alternity, Weapons of the Gods, Dread, With Great Power, Dogs in the Vineyard, Sorcerer, My Life With Master, The Mountain Witch, Afraid, The Shadows of Yesterday, Mortal Coil, and many more Indie Games. I'm sure there is much more.
    - GAMES BOUGHT, NOT PLAYED: Godlike, Serenity, Lord of the Rings, Exalted, and probably dozens of Indie Games. I'm sure there is much more.

    [Other Games]

    - LARP: [4] Often, [7] Sometimes, [36] Never
    - CCGs: [2] Often, [4] Sometimes, [41] Never
    - WAR MINIATURE GAMES: [6] Often, [11] Sometimes, [30] Never
    - BOARD/CARD GAMES: [35] Often, [7] Sometimes, [4] Never
    - MMORPGS: [6] Often, [9] Sometimes, [32] Never
    - PLAY BY EMAIL: [5] Often, [4] Sometimes, [38] Never
    - PLAY BY POST: [3] Often, [7] Sometimes, [37] Never
  12.  # 28
    From my two regular groups, six and three people (I'm in both, so 8 total).

    Gender:
    8 male
    Age: Late twenties to late thirties
    Ethnicity: We're all white dudes but one is a Goth, does that count?
    Married/committed: 6, no children
    Religion: Two are semi-religious but this isn't something we ever discuss.
    Politics: I think we're all American left, but see religion - not really a topic.
    Work: 5 work in IT, 1 is a student, 1 in publishing, 1 is unemployed
    Education: Ranges from "some college" to multiple Masters degrees. We had two PhDs but we lost 'em recently.
    Skillz: 1 does art and art direction, 2 have theater backgrounds, 3 are musicians, 2 are game designers. I'm sure I forgot some stuff because we are all spectacular.

    Games: One group has played only long-term TSoY (in various home-made flavors) in the last year. The other group runs through games for 3-5 sessions each: PTA, Sorcerer, Heroquest, FLFS, Galactic, TSoY, Mortal Coil, AG&G, Heroes Banner, Elfs, Cold City, and so forth.

    Of the 8, 3 other than me also have other gaming groups, playing D&D 3.5 and Savage Worlds I believe. This means half game twice per week and the rest game once per week, on average, excluding short lunch-time games, board games, etc.
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      CommentAuthorBen Lehman
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007
     # 29
    Unfortunately, my gaming has been too spread out to easily censize. :-( This is an amazing thread, though.

    yrs--
    --Ben
  13.  # 30
    Ben,

    That, in a way, is just as useful as other census data. You and Mike are useful datapoints.
    • CommentAuthorJ. Walton
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007 edited
     # 31
    I think we'll have to do the SGBoston census on a day when 1) there's not a blizzard and 2) people aren't gonna be off having sex. Maybe next week we can send you figures?

    P.S. Jenskot's survey looks hot. I might just steal it.
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007 edited
     # 32
    John, that is some impressive *lot* of data, and great to see a somewhat more diverse crowd. Is that diversity consistent through all of your seven groups or do demographic similarities tend to clump ( is there older and younger groups, more racially diverse groups and less etc. or is everybody kind of a mix among all of the groups? Similarly, do find that game style, length, duration and intensity varies by group, or is your gaming consistent across the board?

    Also, I'm curious, did you actually poll, or did you know it all off the top of your head?
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      CommentAuthorBen Lehman
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007
     # 33
    Let me elaborate:

    The only group that's actually censible is the Shanghai Group:
    Four men, one woman.
    All white.
    Two Americans, two canadians, one Brit
    Played: PTA, Shab al-hiri, AG&G, Face of Angels, Polaris, 1001 Nights, Dogs in the Vineyard, Hero's Banner
    Economically diverse, but pretty well-off by China standards.

    There is also my home gaming group, which is an assortment of white guys and the infrequent girlfriend. We're all young and poor.

    Then there's Chris Chinn's group, that I play with in Oakland, which counting me, is one chinese guy, one filipino, one mexican, and one white guy. Again, all male. Young and broke, mostly.

    Then there's two different groups in Boston, both of which are huge and amorphus.

    yrs--
    --Ben
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      CommentAuthorjenskot
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007
     # 34
    Posted By: JonathanWalton P.S. Jenskot's survey looks hot. I might just steal it.

    Please do!

    Posted By: MoIs that diversity consistent through all of your seven groups or do demographic similarities tend to clump ( is there older and younger groups, more racially diverse groups and less etc. or is everybody kind of a mix among all of the groups?

    The answers to your questions correlate directly to how the players met each other. The players who met through school (mostly high school), family, and work tend to be much less diverse (all white, all male, employed in arts or IT, all from NY). Players who've met online and at conventions tend to be extremely diverse. And friends brought in from the merging of all these groups tend to be in the middle ground of diversity. Players from NYC, Boston, and Buffalo seem to also be very similar.

    Posted By: MoSimilarly, do find that game style, length, duration and intensity varies by group, or is your gaming consistent across the board?

    Game style, length, duration, and intensity seem to correlate directly to age, marital status, children, and job responsibilities. Although this is all mixed up across multiple groups.

    Posted By: MoAlso, I'm curious, did you actually poll, or did you know it all off the top of your head?

    Partial poll for this specific survey. I performed several searches on nerdnyc.com looking for past threads where we've polled many of the players on ethnicity, sex, religion, politics and more. I also know most of the players intimately, some I've know for 14+ years, I've lived with some, some have worked for me, I've helped many with accounting/taxes/finding jobs/finding apartments, and I've helped organize many of the groups and introduced many of the people to each other or met them at conventions and brought them into other groups. So I'm pretty familiar with the majority of those involved. I would say the following are probably somewhat off: Politics (economic), Religion (between Atheist and Agnostic), and Income (many people have been layed off, quit or have had raises in the last 1-2 years since I've had these conversations with them).
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      CommentAuthorbuzz
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007
     # 35
    Mo, you probably already have, but if not, you need to listen to Fear the Boot's interview with Ryan Dancey, given the subject of this thread. I'm listening to it now for the second time.
  14.  # 36
    Brand, I couldn't hazard. Just looking at the SW Wiki there have been 26 people who have played in the past year alone (if I go back to when you played, it's more like 40). Some of who I didn't recall having played until I read the wiki. Part of the problem is that these folks are of varying regularity. Some play every week. Some play off and on. I just had a player return to play on Monday who we'd not seen for a couple of months. Occasionally somebody like JB will drop in - and he first played in the original demo for the game 4 years ago, and has only played like 3 times since.

    Also, many of the people in my online game, or who I played with at the conventions, are the folks here and from the Forge (of the 26 people on the Wiki, half are posters here). We don't want to be recounting anybody, do we? Or doesn't that matter? How many people I've played with that nobody else here has played with in the last year? Got no idea.

    Just to give an idea of how little I'm aware of all of who I've played with, it's quite possible that I played a game with Andy in the last year. ForgeCon, GenCon... Couldn't say for sure, tho. In fact I can't absolutely recall ever playing a game with Andy. Though I think it's unlikely that we haven't at least been in a demo together. Not because Andy is unmemorable. Simply because I have a crummy memory for things like that.

    Mike
  15.  # 37
    Mike,

    Cool. Thanks for the info.
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      CommentAuthorMatthijs
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2007
     # 38
    Posted By: MoMatthijs,

    What about the games? Do you do one shots or campaigns? What games do you play? Do you play in short, long or marathon sessions? And gamer data, do the folks in your group do other related things like PBEM, MMORPGS, MU**, LARP, Console Gaming?


    Length of games: Extremely varied. Some of these people (especially the LARPers that show up at HolmCon) play perhaps 1 one-shot a year. Others, such as my regular group, play campaigns almost exclusively.

    Length of sessions: Most games are around 3 hours long, I believe. I don't know many marathon-session gamers. All-night games are things other people reportedly do, but not in my crowd for the last 10-15 years.

    Related things:
    * LARP - 4-5 of the 19 do this, on scales from occasionally to a lot.
    * PBEM: None, as far as I know. One used to do this many years ago.
    * MMORPGS: Whatever people do between two consenting adults, or one adult and a screen, I really don't want to know.
    * Writing fiction: Several people do this, or want to.
    • CommentAuthorGeoff Hall
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     # 39
    Posted By: andrew_kenrick
    EDIT: I also have an online group, made up of friends from uni, but for the sake of brevity I've discounted it here.


    Nice to know I'm so easily discounted for brevitiy's sake ;o)
  16.  # 40
    Posted By: Geoff HallNice to know I'm so easily discounted for brevitiy's sake ;o)


    You + brevity really don't go :-) I'll do a separate census for my online group later and it'd be interesting to compare the two.
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      CommentAuthorcrowyhead
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     # 41
    Ok, I'll give it a whirl:

    - There are 20 people, roughly comprising three groups (with some crossover) that I've gamed with in the last year, including me.
    - 13 are men
    - 7 are women
    - Ages range from 26 to 40, with the biggest cluster around 30-32 -- I don't know everyone's specific age, so I can't do an average
    - 19 are some permutation of white, one is black
    - I know that 10 of us identify to some extent as "queer" or gay; it wouldn't surprise me to learn the number was higher.
    - Historically, we're clustered around the lower and middle range of middle class; many of us are students or non-profit workers, which puts us in the lower middle class at the moment.
    - Religion-wise, at least five of us are culturally Jewish, and I know we have at least two practicing pagans. At least two of us have a religious fundamentalist background, and now identify as agnostic or atheist.
    - There are five couples who game together, so half of us are in committed relationships and game with our partners. 13 total are in committed relationships.
    - The majority have at least undergraduate degrees, several of us are doctoral students or hold graduate degrees.
    - All of us are politically left of center; several have socialist or anarchist leanings.
    - I was friends with 11 of the folks prior to gaming with them, and we all socialize outside of gaming contexts.

    - 5 have GM'd games in which I was or am involved (4 men and me)
    - 5 of us, including myself, are relatively new to gaming, having started in the last year.
    - All of us have experience with indie games of one stripe or another.
    - The games I've played in the past year with these folks: The Shadow of Yesterday (2 different games with two completely discrete groups), The Mountain Witch (1 game), Corvus's homebrew game, and in the near future we'll be playing Dark Ages Vampire. All of these were/are relatively long-run games of several months, with the exception of The Mountain Witch, which was completed in 4 sessions. We all tend toward what could be termed Narrativist play.
    • CommentAuthorClinton
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     # 42
    This thread makes me wonder how much we really know about the people in our groups. I'm in one of Jason's groups, and I'm trying to figure out which slots I'm in.

    I have two groups, one weekly and one bi-weekly, with a total of 8 people. We're all Caucasian males.

    Married: Four that I know of, three I don't know, and 1 in a long-term relationship.

    Straight-i-tude: All publicly identify as straight as far as I know.

    Religious: Well, I'm a Unitarian, with strong liberal Christian leanings. The rest, I don't know a lot about, except one is at least kind of Buddhist and another I would guess has a Christian background.

    Politics: Again, I don't know, but I would guess 5 very liberal, 3 moderate.

    Jobs: Most of us are technical. One is in financial stuff.

    Education: I can't believe I don't know. I think everyone but me has degrees, and I'm in college. (as an adult learner.)

    Age: All of us are 30 to 40, I think.

    Games we play: One group is the assorted group - see Jason's post. We play everything. The other one is in a mid-to-long term Unisystem game in the world of Fallout.

    One group is friends outside of gaming; the other group is, too, I think, but not with me. I'm new to the group. The first group are (watch me embarrass myself) my closest friends in the area. We've met each other's parents and wives and pets and know all their names.

    If Jason didn't count me as a musician, I am disappointed!

    ----

    Over time, my data's more interesting. Out of the last 17 people I gamed with regularly, one was female. One was Asian and the rest were Caucasian. Most were agnostic or atheist, with a smattering of neo-pagans (1) and liberal Christians (2) and Buddhist (2).
  17.  # 43
    Clinton, if it helps out any with your bi-weekly group census, I'm married, a lapsed Catholic, libertarian, a programmer, a college drop-out, and 33.

    Posted By: Clinton R. NixonThis thread makes me wonder how much we really know about the people in our groups.

    Too true. Even with my weekly group, comprised of my closest friends, there were several details I only had to guess at. I didn't even bother trying to do a census for the bi-weekly group because there's so much I just don't know about them. They're great guys and I'd like to think we've become friends over the time we've been playing, however we haven't gotten together outside of gaming.
    • CommentAuthorJudd
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     # 44
    Posted By: Clinton R. NixonThis thread makes me wonder how much we really know about the people in our groups.


    I was sitting with a buddy of mine who I gamed with regularly for almost a year back in college when some soccer came on.

    "I'd love to watch this but you probably don't, so you can turn it off."

    "Um, dude, I played forward for UConn."

    And then we started playing soccer together on the intramural teams I was a part of.
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      CommentAuthorBrand_Robins
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007 edited
     # 45
    Clinton,

    I've been wondering the same thing myself. It's also made me realize how much I know about the people I know.

    I mean, it just makes me realize how different the different friendships people have are. I can probably tell you about the time everyone I know questioned or changed their religion and politics, and others don't know if members of their group are married or not.

    People are so cool to have such diversity.
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     # 46
    Posted By: Brand_RobinsPeople are so cool to have such diversity.


    Ditto that!

    Clinton, did you have to move after Katrina?

    Kirsten, your group sounds just like mine was about 7 years ago.

    Mark, Thanks for the link... very interesting!
    • CommentAuthorClinton
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     # 47
    Mo,

    I did! I've moved a lot, actually, which is one reason I don't know my game groups as well as some people do. My groups in Seattle and New Orleans were together longer, though, so I got to know them even better.

    As a side note, this is an odd thread, because my local players read SG. Anyway, to talk about them more: Jason mentioned that we don't discuss politics or religion. That's true, but strikes me as weird: I enjoy my time with that particular group outside of gaming, as much, if not moreso, than when we are gaming. I'm not sure why we have certain lines, but it's interesting.

    I am definitely looking forward to having another group like my Seattle groups: that is, a group of primarily friends that also play hard. I remember going out for beers with those guys and talking - expressing reality about problems at home, or in my heart, or whatever. Those groups take a lot of time, though.
  18.  # 48
    Clinton,

    Good point. I've been friends with all my current group, save 1, since I came to Toronto. Some I knew online before that. Mo's been friends with most of them for at least 8 years, and sometimes upwards of 13.

    Which is interesting in terms of Matt's comments in the other thread about people moving and turning to the net for connections and their games.
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      CommentAuthorMo
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2007
     # 49
    Clinton - then no shame at all in the people you're getting to know being your best friends in the area. It's a credit to you that you managed to hook up with players so quickly.
  19.  # 50
    Posted By: Clinton R. NixonThis thread makes me wonder how much we really know about the people in our groups.


    I wonder if that depends on how you got involved in the group. I mean, with my online group I went to uni with those guys, so I know pretty much everything about them. But my current rl group I found through a messageboard and although we're now friends beyond the game, I don't know a whole lot about them because we mainly talk about gaming.

    Which begs the question I guess - how much do you have to do with your gaming group beyond the gaming table?
    • CommentAuthornikodemus
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2007
     # 51
    I have at any given time 4-8 regulars, depending on the games I am currently running. These people come from a pool of maybe 50 or so (which overlaps Merten's pool significantly, I suspect). Right now there's 8 (including your truely).

    Life:
    - Age late twenties to early thirties.
    - Nationality and native language: Finnish.
    - Married with children: 1.
    - Living together with significant other: 5.
    - Atheist or as practically atheist: 8. (I am not aware of anyone being devotional.)
    - Politics: generally greenish left liberal.
    - Men: 6.
    - Women: 2.
    - Sexuality: While the norm is heterosexual, bi- and homosexuality is also represented, and BDSM inclinations are not exactly rare. (This refers to the pool of 50, not to current group.)
    - Jobs: plenty of IT people, several people in academia (both humanities and hard sciences), some journalists, some artists/writers, some retail, some odd jobs. (Referring to the whole pool.)
    - Education: Pretty much everyone is at least an undergraduate, several graduates, a few doctorates. (Referring to the whole pool.)
    - Several people in the pool hang out outside gaming, but this has varied greatly over the years.
    - Almost all live in an urban area.

    Gamewise it depends how you split it: only games I currently run or play in are a homebrew, Earthdawn, Call of Cthulhu, and Warhammer FRP. If you count games that have made appearances over the years, or games that other people run -- the list pretty much explodes.

    Almost everyone in the pool has played more then one game, most have 10+ years of gaming, several have 20+. Most have played in several LARPs, some have written and organized LARPs. Several play MMORPGs. Most play boardgames irregularly.
    • CommentAuthortadk
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2007
     # 52

    Which begs the question I guess - how much do you have to do with your gaming group beyond the gaming table?


    before I moved 2200 some miles away from my gaming group, we did family things together, holidays, birthdays, dinner, coffee, shopping, weddings, best men in each others weddings, that level of 20 plus years of friendship.
    Since moving I dont have a gaming group locally, but I consider my annual trips back up north to consist of my gaming, where over a 10 day trip get in several late nights of gaming, catch up with kids and who grades are going, go out to eat, do coffee, sit and chat while they are working from home, etc. Things long time friends do, in addition to Board, Card, Scrabble, RPG, Computer games as well.
  20.  # 53
    Posted By: tadkWhich begs the question I guess - how much do you have to do with your gaming group beyond the gaming table?


    Clinton, I totally counted you as a musician!

    Not to be a boaster, but watch me boast - Tuesday we all got together - with our spouses and GFs, along with Andy K and his wife Orie - and took Blake, a cool guy I met at Dreamation who was in town for work, out to our favorite Korean restaurant for a family-style dinner. There was nerd talk (Nerdly talk, anyway), but also house talk, cat talk, and so forth.

    Amusing anecdote - in my other, long-time gaming group we're all friends in and out of gaming, but there's this one guy who's a little .... mysterious. He doesn't talk about himself much, and we've always, always just given him plenty of space and never asked any questions (even though we game at his house!). One time we all went to a drive-in, and my wife Autumn rode with him on the way. In a twenty minute car ride, she learned more about him by asking friendly questions then we'd learned in five years.