In another thread I'm talking about my current campaigns (4 of them), were the characters are settlers of a new land. The land is inhabited by orcs, and I seek inspiration in historical settling/colonization to make them interesting. I'm using orcs as indigenous people, and get my inspiration from indians of North America, and the ways they were treated by whites.
When I said that this was done with orcs, I apparently "lost" some of the readers. Judd took out the big hammer and stated:
Posted By: JuddThat is a toxic, ugly fantasy you are creating.
Jason Morningstar chipped in too, to say that I lost him. I really don't know why Jason and Judd should react that way, so I'm hoping they will use this thread to debate it.
Posted By: StornOrcs are analogy. He hasn't lost me. I've done the same thing in a Forgotten Realms game. It allowed me to burst the players preconceptions of what Orcs are/were... by grounding them in some real world trappings. I used a patchwork of Mongol and eastern n. american native peoples (The orcs had two cultures themselves, based on their environment).
I wasn't trying to belittle any culture by stealing identities for my orcs... I was trying to say something about predjudice and race... ACTUAL race (as in Orcs are a different race) and its -ism. While having fun fantasy entertaining adventures.
It worked too. Eventually had a player playing an Orc.
As you say; it's an analogy. Or something by itself, partly inspired
by real events.
Seeking inspiration in real life is not belittling anyone, in my view. It is using what we know about how things are connected, how they develop, while creating what we know as our history. By using historical references we may hold it up; See what happened in our world!
And when playing with these references baked in, we may say; See how you (the players) stood your ground when faced with similar challenges!
I find this kind of game-play both challenging and full of possible insights. It is highly interesting, and not at all harmful.
Posted By: JuddStorn, its a shitty metaphor.
Well ... it's rather a fantasy-metaphor for some really shitty historical events
; the oppression and mistreatment of american indians.
Wether it is "shitty" or not, depends on how you treat the theme in play
. I would think folks on this forum had sense enough to see that.But anyway; this thread is for discussing it.
Chip in, folks, but don't start yelling at once. Try supporting your point of view with arguments. That always leaves us with the best debates.